The British are Leaving…….on Vacation

No, I am not fleeing the country in fear of surprise election results, or how said results may provide food for thought for others in our own upcoming election. The PIE family is heading off on summer vacation. Yeah!! Nothing very fancy or exotic – a couple of weeks split between our home in the mountains and Acadia National Park. More to come on that exciting subject later.

Allow me to take you on a tangent – before we came to these great shores and took up US residency, citizenship and all that goes with laying down foundations for our family, Mr. and Mrs. PIE spent most of their lives in the small island that is the United Kingdom. That was where we were born, raised, educated and generally shaped as individuals.

The education process in the UK taught us a thing or two about good decision making, something that nearly 52% of the natives of our former home country made an absolute hash of last Thursday. And so let me spend some time at least ranting about the f***ed up fiasco that played out in the UK last week. This won’t be very long as I am not sure my brain has got to grips with it all just yet.

Winston Churchill once said “Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.” Never a truer statement could be made about the events that unfolded late last week, culminating in a result that was announced in the early hours of Friday morning that the United Kingdom would leave the European Union. You give people complete power to make their own bed. Then you had better accept the consequences of lying in it.

Back to decision making and a few questions:

  1. Did the UK populus know exactly what they were voting on? Not a bloody chance.
  1. Why was such a critical decision for the United Kingdom, its people and the global economy allowed to take effect with only a simple majority? With only 70% (or thereabouts) turnout, that means 36% of eligible voters backed it. Holy crap, my head is hurting. Please pass me the Advil and a cold press.
  1. Why was there such an endless amount of absolute tosh (allow me to throw in a few British-isms now and then) in circulation leading up to the vote? For instance, the numpty politician Boris Johnson (he was once Mayor of London) and his “party bus” (think Gronk, without the fun and laughter) that toured the UK. John Oliver put together a brilliant montage of his take on the Brexit vote and made reference to Boris, the Vote-Leave leader – and now heir presumptive and potentially next leader of the United Kingdom. Boris Johnson – potentially the next leader of the UK? My, oh my! Boris fooled an awful lot of people by making bold claims on amounts of money the UK was required to shovel over to Brussels on a weekly basis. Like some of the great recent ‘fact’ loving politicians in our own country, Boris was only off in his math by about 50%. Holy s**t, my head is really going to explode. Please pass me the morphine and a bottle of your best single malt whisky.

[Urban Dictionary: Tosha derisory term used in the same way as crap or bollocks]

[Urban Dictionary: Numpty – (Scottish usage):  Someone who by speech or action demonstrates a lack of knowledge or misconception of a particular subject or situation to the amusement of others]

  1. What purpose was ever going to be served by Mister Trump with his visit to Scotland (opening a golf course – really!?) just prior to the vote and remaining in the UK through the vote itself? Scotland voted by a huge majority to remain in the EU and made it brutally clear, in their unique style, how they felt about Mr. Trump. Check out this link and also this one to the Scots and a few choice words they shared with Mr. Trump on Twitter. There are a few swear words sprinkled in so perhaps NSFW. I may be biased, being Scottish, but I think you will love some of this banter and wisdom – just hilarious.
  1. Did anyone truly consider what the implications of leaving the EU would be? Back to question #2, why play with such fire knowing that a razor-thin majority might set the wheels in motion? Trouble lies ahead for sure in the uncoupling from the EU. Not only for the people of the UK, but this will have profound implications for the new EU, the global economy and investors. It won’t be a few months to find the answers. Years of uncertainty lie ahead. I have no idea what it will look like yet we have a bazillion experts telling us what to do. Ignore them. Buckle in for a rough ride because no one (politicians, financial institutions, economic gurus) in the UK, or anywhere else for that matter, has a clue about what to do next.
  1. What, if anything, was a major driver behind the leave vote? Let’s cut straight to the chase about a big factor that drove many decisions last week. The topic is Immigration. Heard of that one? You are aware of this subject in the context of discussions surrounding our own upcoming election in the US and the notion that a wall built at the Mexican border and supposedly to be paid for by the Mexican government will cure many of the the ills that America faces. A bit like putting up a big-assed mosquito net around the whole city of Rio and asking the International Olympic Committee (IOC) to foot the bill and protect the Olympian competitors and spectators from the Zika virus. Absolute genius, eh!

There is a terrific article in the NY Times on Sunday, June 26 that is fair, balanced and hits all the important points on the “immigration factor” as it relates to Brexit. With such an emotive subject, it is perhaps not surprising that feelings trumped facts on this one. Go read it, it says it all.

You may be wondering if I have finished. You may be saying in true British style “Stop ranting you daft plum!”

OK, I am done. Suffice to say, we are going to need a bigger kettle in the PIE household to make the large mugs of tea and discuss the sorry state of the nation that is the UK.

The take by Mr. PIE on the Brexit vote? You have probably guessed it. Not my cup of tea. Now let’s go talk about the weather.

Where was I? Oh, the weather. It’s summer. Here are our summer vacation plans and the end of Mr. PIE ranting.

Our two weeks in the mountains is our time to truly vacation at our vacation home, and boy, are we ready for it! It’s delicious to think of getting away from the daily commuting grind, and the laptops that sneak home due to nagging deadlines. The small PIEs currently are attending a fabulous day camp run by the YMCA, but even now they are still part of the busy and rushed drop-off-pick-up routine. We are much in need of some unscheduled time to chill out. This type of vacation always gives us a taste for how life could be post-FIRE. Of course,  then much of our need for ‘getting away’ and ‘chilling out’ will be gone, as the demands of work also will be.

We’re looking forward to many hikes (the small PIEs are determined to hike longer and higher each time – ouch!), water balloon fights in the yard, river kayaking trips and hanging out at the local pond. We get to pretend to be tourists too, while we spend a day at our usual ski resort on zip lines, mountain coasters and water slides. And not forgetting our scientific analysis of the local ice cream joints which requires us to collect many, many data points! We have other goals in mind too, which range from as many meals outdoors on the deck as possible, and sending the small PIEs out for a night to camp in the back yard. We’ll see how that one goes……

This will be our second trip to Acadia. Our last trip was two years ago when the small PIEs were even smaller. This time they have their sights set on – you’ve got it – longer and higher hikes. We are stunned by the rugged beauty of the area that manages to remind us somewhat of the coastline of Western Scotland. Here we make an effort to avoid the most populous and tourist ridden areas, while making sure to collect data points on mountains, lobster rolls and more ice cream.

There you have it. Everything from Brexit to Zika to Scottish vocabulary to lobster rolls and ice cream. Hopefully you found something here to brighten up your Monday. We’ll try to get a blog post out while on vacation if we can be awakened from our lobster roll / ice cream slumber.

How many cups of tea (or whisky) have you sipped while talking about Brexit? Is the decision for the UK to leave the EU your cup of tea? What are your plans for summer to get away from this utter madness?



  1. Thanks so much for the link to the NY Times article. This is a topic I just do not know much about but I am looking forward to learning more! Have an awesome and safe vacation and please share more about your travels! We are looking to head to Acadia in the next few summers! Enjoy!

    1. There is a lot to sift through and articles like the one in the NY times makes the process of understanding the background a whole lot easier. We will probably post some pics etc on Twitter as we wind our way through the upcoming weeks. So needing some time off work….!

  2. I’ll be the first to admit that, up until this past week, I’ve been pretty much in the dark on the whole Brexit topic; however, it will definitely be interesting to see the economical ramifications of the decision, for both the UK and the world at large. If only I had some spare sacks full of money to heed Warren Buffett’s advice of getting greedy when others get scared! 🙁 lol!

    On a more serious note, however, I’m sorry to hear that the vote didn’t turn out as you and your fellow Scots (is that the proper term? please forgive me in not) would’ve liked. Out of curiosity, I have three questions: 1) why are you in the “stay” faction?; 2) do you foresee Scotland voting again (and presumably voting yes this time) to become independent in order to stay in the EU?; and 3) would you actually like to see that happen?

    As you and your family are the only people I “know” from the UK, I appreciate your time to comment on the situation. There’s really no better way of learning about a topic than from someone with firsthand knowledge and investment in the situation, as I presume you have family being directly affected in the middle of it all. I hope all is well with them and I look forward to hearing more about this topic from you. Thanks for your time! 🙂

    1. Thanks for the questions!!

      Regarding the remain camp. There was no plan outlined on what would happen upon voting to leave. Or at least no plan that layed out facts and truths. The 52% were duped and fell for it hook, line and sinker. If I could use the analogy of a new job – someone asks you that you are going to change job, move to an unknown location and not know what your salary or expenses would look like. Who would vote for that? Nobody with their senses intact. Until a coherent plan is layed out that clearly spells out the benefits of leaving for the UK people and the ramifications of what it would mean for the larger EU community, best to stay as is. And philosophically, I am a proponent of people, groups uniting.

      Regarding Scottish independence. The Scots voted to remain part of the Union on their own independence vote. They voted to stay in the European Union last week. If there are any lessons from the last few months it is that truths, plans and scenarios need to be debated slowly and thoughtfully. Rushing into another referendum would be utter madness. That process of debate is just starting and there is more rhetoric, posturing and threats at the moment than anything else. Time for Scottish political leadership to pause, calm down and listen to all sides of the debate with a cool head.

      1. Thanks for the explanation; I especially agree with your remark about debating with cool heads. Sounds like maybe you should be running the joint!

        With regards to your new job analogy…I nearly laughed myself outta my chair because that is EXACTLY what my wife and I did when we moved to South Dakota! Thankfully, everything has worked out extremely well in our favor. 🙂

        So do you think that Parliament will go forward with the exit or hold off for another round of, hopefully cool-headed, debate and then hold another referendum once more facts and a better plan come to light?

        1. Too funny with my analogy and your change of job situation. Lol. Glad it is all working out!

          The exit is a done deal. No way back. Britain has spoken. What comes now is how they are going to handle being the small island on their own. Fishing and farming and roaming the high seas with their navy, which they did so well in the past, won’t cut it!

  3. Enjoy your vacation, Maine is beautiful and I can’t wait to get back up there.

    I’d been following the Brexit campaign fairly closely, and it’s been interesting to say the least. Thursday night, I was like, “Oh, the polls should be coming in!”, and watched CSPAN – yes freaking CSPAN because they were having live coverage of the poll results and holy cow I was a bit shocked when they were calling it for leave.
    It’s been interesting hearing the different debates on the vote outcome. The 16 yr olds (or those that are too young to vote by a year or 2) are incensed because they can’t vote, and are going to be living with the consequence. Also, they seem that they would’ve voted to remain, allegedly, and that seemed to be a big theme of the voter outcome. “Older” folks seemed to be the ones voting leave, while the younger voters were pushing for stay – at least according to different talking heads and media outlets. I think most people that voted to leave ended up waking up to the realization of what they did like a hazy hangover from a rough night before – “Wait, I did what?! I went home with who?! GAH!!! What does it mean?! What does it mean?!”
    I laughed at some opinion articles titled, “British lose right to claim Americans are dumber”, however, we may still be able to “Trump” that decision in November and regain the title, lol.
    When our political choices were playing out as the worse of 2 evils, Mrs. SSC suggested I go get a Phd and we can hide out internationally for a few political cycles while I study more geology, lol. I researched a lot of schools, the only ones that looked interesting were in New Zealand, and after researching, I think we’d be losing money trying to afford to live there. 🙁 No plans to escape this madness yet, but it’s not off the table! 🙂

    1. After the result, I wanted to take comfort and I felt like emptying my malt whisky cabinet on Friday but the Labour Party in the UK decided to empty their own cabinet over the weekend.
      In the face of all this carnage, it is great to see the Brirish sense of humor shine through. Boy are they going to need it!

      We have looked briefly at another international move, more joking than serious. But hey, if stuff gets bad, you never know….but the UK is NOT on the list of choices!

      Acadia is stunning. We can’t believe it took us so long to vacation there.

  4. You’re right. Why didn’t they use 70% or something higher as the threshold. I didn’t pay attention to the vote until I heard the Brexit camp won. I assumed they would remain. I wonder how many voters thought the same. I bet they wished they would have voted now…
    Enjoy your vacation. A few days unscheduled days would give everyone a break. Our kid is in summer day camps every other week. There are a lot of stuff to do here so he’s not bored. It’s tough to blog when he’s around, though…

    1. Joe, thanks for coming over and checking us out.

      Results like this are a cautionary reminder that each and every vote counts. People need to get off their lazy rears and make their vote count. I hope we see record voting in November. It matters. A lot.

      Our kids are in summer camp all summer so taking them out for two weeks to vacation is no bad thing in their minds. Hear you on trying to write a blog when kids need entertaining and feeding and watching and…….

  5. Great post and thanks for put the real info out there. There was so much mis-information in the UK thanks to Boris and the leave party. I think it is a shame that the UK voted to leave. I’m not sure they took into consideration the long term impacts. Maybe I’m just being optimistic here, but I’d love to see the UK reconsider leaving.

    Anyways, enjoy the vacation! I look forward to hearing how the ice cream scientific analysis goes!

    1. It is particularly galling in this vote that so much rubbish was put out there with very little substance. Those who think they got the win are now wondering if they really won at all. Let’s see how they handle the heat now.

      The ice cream data points are always a big part of our experimental plan for every vacation. Gotta collect good data!!

  6. There were some interesting/scary spikes in google searches about the Brexit vote after everyone had already voted, looks like people were operating on the guess and check voting system and will pay dearly for awhile

    1. That is interesting. Hadn’t seen those figures.
      I did see the spike in search for “How to get an Irish passport” on Friday morning which I thought was quite funny….

  7. Acadia is such a beautiful place and we visit there often! Hope you have a wonderful time! 🙂

    Where Brexit has rightfully dominated the media, I appreciate the time you took to write this post and give us an in-depth look into what is really happening along with your take on things. It will be interesting to see how all of this unfolds in the coming weeks.

    1. Yeah, very excited to get up there and chill.

      The next months are going to be fascinating with Brexit. Such a small country really but a decision with massive implications for global economy as well as its own people

  8. Enjoy your well-deserved vacation!

    About the Brexit:
    It seems that the leave campaign didn’t really think this through. Like a dog chasing cars and finally getting one. But what’s a dog going to do with a car? I have the suspicion that the EU will run a pretty tough negotiation to send a signal to other countries contemplating defection. I wouldn’t want to negotiate with Wolfgang Schauble (German finance minister), just ask the Greeks.

    1. Ooh, LOVE the dog analogy. I have visions of Nigel Farage running down the M25 panting behind a beaten up Mini Cooper with a Union Jack dog collar. Too Funny.

  9. Have a wonderful vacation! We’re headed up to Maine in August and plan to visit Acadia and Bar Harbor. We went a couple of years ago and the kids really enjoyed Jordan pond. Even though you’re not supposed to swim in the water there, they enjoyed hopping along the rocks and checking out the little fishes. It really is a beautiful place. We always bring a picnic lunch (frugal win) to eat on top of Cadillac mountain. I can’t wait until our trip. If you head into Bar Harbor, definitely check out the sandbar. The kids loved finding all of the little crabs and shells that get revealed when the tide goes down.

    1. Well thank you! We are actually staying in Bar Harbor for three nights and have plans to hike Cadillac on one of the days with a well stocked back-pack of yummy stuff. The sandbar is something we have not done so thanks for the suggestion.

      Last year we did the LuLu lobster boat trip which was fantastic and took a trip to Schoodic peninsula which was fabulous. Kids loved both those trips. I am sure we will chart our course with some Twitter pics.

  10. Hey Mr PIE,

    Firstly, I hope you and the family have a great holiday 🙂

    The main points that got addressed in the media & debates was sadly not in a calm manner discussing all the points. If everyone had truly gone through all the pros and cons, and understood, then that would have been a better way of doing it. Sadly most of the population (of ALL countries, of ALL demographics) are uninformed about ALL the aspects of what they are voting for.
    In Australia, it is mandatory for all of the population to vote (aka pretty much 100% of the potential voters vote), so maybe we get more uniformed votes..maybe more of the population know what’s going on? At least there is a true representation.

    Anyway, as a (hopefully) impartial Aussie from afar I’d like to add some (hopefully) balanced points on some of the criticisms of the EU that I saw (and these points have been around for many years, not just the last 3-6 months). I’m mostly just going to say the leaving points, as keeping the status quo wasn’t changing anything. Feel free to correct/discuss any point:

    Sovereignty: A decent % of new laws that were passed into UK law were not UK laws, but EU laws. Nothing necessarily wrong with what was being passed, but Leavers didn’t want laws for them decided in Brussels. They wanted to have the same governance of the UK, as Australia does over Australia, the US does over the US, Canada does over Canada. The US wouldn’t accept laws made on them by Canada. In a lot of cases where EU law and UK law clashed, EU law was superior in the courts.

    Unelected officials: A lot of EU officials aren’t elected into the positions of power, by the population. The best thing about the democracies of the world is they are held accountable through elections, we can kick the ruling party out (by not voting for them).

    Original vote: When the UK first voted to join, it was voting to join a trading bloc (essentially a free trade deal). The same type of trade deal that has just been created with TTP ( ). The UK population didn’t vote for (or against) the political union it is today. Leavers wanted the chance to say whether they wanted to be in a political union, or not (they’ll want to be in the trading bloc again for sure, but without all the extras).

    Net membership fee: I completely take your point about the wrong figures floating around, all the facts should have been debated correctly and responsibly. I think a lot of Leavers would argue that (very rounded figures) $350M – $150M is still a lot to be sending to the EU. Why does the UK have to send anything at all? (AKA let’s leave so we don’t have to pay).

    Immigration: This is a very similar point to sovereignty. For a lot of people, the question was a point of control. Australia can (and I think has decided) its max immigration is 190,000 people per year, Australia has the control to choose the skills/numbers/reasons of people to come to Australia. USA can decide the skills/numbers/reasons of people to go into the USA. The UK does not have the control to decide its numbers about people within the EU. David Cameron had said he would get net migration down to the ‘10s of thousands’ (aka 99,999 would be mission complete), but the net migration within Europe (because of open borders) made this impossible. Whether those people are French, German, Italian, Spanish, Polish, American, Japanese, etc, Leavers wanted to be able to decide the skills/numbers/reasons of people to come just like most other countries in the world do.

    (Small side note on immigration: and some leavers would argue that having 350K net migration was/is unsustainable for the UK to spend more on hospitals, schools, infrastructure etc, when the budget is already in the red in billions, and of course they also make the argument that migrants caused wages to stagnate/go down).

    Connection with wider world: The UK has steadily lost connection with its Commonwealth partners (Australia, New Zealand, Canada etc) – the British people have much more in common with these citizens, rather than some of the newer EU members. Leavers argued, why must we lose the open connection we have, to be replaced by EU countries?
    Also, the EU’s economy has (for many years) been limping along, why not concentrate on trade with growing areas like Asia instead.

    (Health costs: Leavers argued that many people would go to the UK, just to use the NHS, which was costing a lot of money.)

    Economy: Leavers argued that, in the long run, the UK would perform better outside of the EU (as they have done by keeping the pound and not adopting the euro). China, Japan, South Korea, USA etc have fantastic trade with the EU being outside the EU, why does the UK need to be in the EU to do this?

    Co-operation: Leavers argued that the UK can co-operate with other countries fantastically well, without being a part of an ever closer political and currency union.

    Final leavers argument: That there are some aspects to life/a country more than just financial gain. I saw a funny cartoon that was making the point that a housewife can have good reasons to leave a husband, even if she is worse off financially. Even if it means tipping the UK/EU/world in recession, lol.

    I’d have loved to have seen a proper, well in-formed discussion of all the points (of every aspect – Defence, Health, Education etc, every major department).

    I can also list all the reasons the UK should have arguably stayed in the EU (I’d be happy to do that too if you’d like me to 🙂 because there are a lot of good things about the EU that are worth staying in for, for the UK). Your (and some of your links) arguments seem to be about what the Leave campaign (wrongly) said and surmising why people voted how they did, rather than considering the actual pros and cons of in and out (from a UK person perspective).

    Whether the UK fully pulls out, we shall see (it has to go through Parliament I believe, which probably can reject the non-binding vote). Whether the Netherlands pulls out, we shall see (polls suggest next March’s election will be won by an ‘outer’ with 54% of the vote). Whether the market’s reaction is an overreaction, we shall see. Whether, this means more EU countries leave (Eg Scandinavian countries and Hungary), we shall see.

    All I can say is, life goes on. We will still all achieve FIRE, worry about the things you can effect, don’t worry about what you can’t change.


    1. Thanks for the very thoughtful reply. Blog within a blog. So cool !!

      I think we can agree that misinfomation was the modus operandi in this vote. And to be fair it came from all sides.

      I won’t go into any comments on the great points you raised simply because I do not know the pros and cons of each. When that appears from the various sides and media, I might be inclined to comment. Perhaps.

      Did notice a balanced article today on the BBC website:

      Described various positions prior to vote, after vote and a nice bit of a reality check. As I said, balanced article so that is good. What I would expect from the BBC.

      What I will comment on is Immigration. To me it is clear a frenzy was whipped up and lies, rhetoric came to the fore. Passions ran high and the necessary dialogue was lost. That’s a problem. A huge problem. And ultimately disappointing how it all played out.

      I am a big proponent of diversity being the key to propel any country forward. And don’t get me wrong- coming into any country illegally and commitng crime is a horrible aspect that is unfortunately lumped into the immigration discussion overall and often dominates it. But immigration is so much more than that.

      Here is another take on immigration to ponder. And I use an analogy from the USA as an example. It has broad relevance and implications for most developed countries.

      What demographic is propelling the innovation and growth of IT and pharmaceuticals/healthcare (enormous drivers of the US and global economy) in the major tech hubs of Silicon Valley, San Francisco, San Diego and Boston? Answer – immigrants. Companies doing Start ups, IPO’s, getting seed funding are being driven with personnel and key leaders who are immigrants. In bio pharma, I meet with these companies as part of my job and it is reality. Another example, the world best selling drug – patients afflicted with horrible diseases like psoriasis and arthritis and IBD – their disease is extremely well managed, often put into remission with this drug. Who are the inventors on the original patent and who dominates the intellectual property estate around the drug? You guessed it. Immigrants. Work side by side with many of them every day. My wife and I are also immigrants and contribute to that innovation wave in bio-pharma.

      I use these examples to highlight that there is so much more to immingration than was ever brought to the table for the Brexit vote. The bigger picture needs to be looked at carefully with thought, cool heads, warm hearts and open dialogue.

      If the population of the US is duped by the nonsense of walls, fences being erected around the Mexican border, you will find me in Canada or further afield in Greenland to set up home. Immigration challenges and opportunities will never ever be handled by walls, fences or closing tunnels. Good luck to those who think it will. Not my cup of tea. If the Brexit vote was truly dominated by Immigration, I find it incredibly sad that votes that were cast did not take into consideration the much bigger picture at play here.

      One final comment – Am I shocked by the vote. Yes. Am I surprised. Yes. Am I disappointed. Yes. Am I worried. Not really. Not beyond wondering the effects on our respective families in Scotland and England. Brexit won’t affect any plans our family here in the US has in terms of our journey. Just another global event along the way that has markets in a tizzy and from which it invariably recovers – and often quickly.

      Now to the more important stuff. I can taste the ice cream, smell the coastal Maine air, and feel the burn after a long hike. To vacation!!


      Mr. PIE.

  11. I’m going to keep drinking tea and occasionally add in my Irish whisky for the next few years. Global migration is not going to stop, and countries need to prepare for it to increase. De-stabilization will create more refugees and it is our duty to not let them starve to death.

    Your vacation sounds really lovely though.

    1. I inherently agree with your sentiment to look out for those less fortunate than ourselves.

      Throw in a Scottish whisky. They taste much better!!?

  12. It will be interesting to see how the trade laws will play out.. They have a couple of years before the move is finalized and hopefully Britain doesn’t go through with it, but at the moment looks like they’re going all out with the change!

    It sounds like your vacation is jam packed with activities that will rejuvenate you and help take your mind off Brexit!

    1. Thanks for checking us out.
      Yep, full on march to exit Europe. I don’t see it changing and two years could be a low estimate to thrash out everything. Saying that, I think the Germans and French will set the tone for speed of exit.

      Vacation will be fun, busy and hopefully relaxing overall.

    1. Ooh, I have been living here in the US too long, I forgot what it sounds like to say “lovely holiday”. Thanks for that.
      I guess there is more uncertainty in British politics with all the leadership changes afoot in the conservative and Labour parties. Not exactly what is needed on top of Brexit

  13. I think you nailed it. Immigration seems to be driving most of the discussion.

    We have extended family from Italy – my step mother-in-law came to the US from Italy when she was 10 and still has family living there. Over spring break, we met up with the Italian family and spent many evenings drinking wine and discussing the sad state of affairs in Italy.

    There is significant resentment among the Italians regarding the immigrants flowing into the country and even more resentment about the benefits and other money being spent on them.

    I suspect the same conversations have been ongoing in the UK.

    Thanks for writing about this. I appreciate hearing the perspective of people more closely connected to the situation than myself.

    1. Unfortunately, the immigration topic is becoming rather vicious in UK. And it is already a very hot topic as you say in Italy and also quite bad in France, Belgium.

      The incidents recently in the US are a reminder that we all have to be cognizant to having an open and honest dialogue about race, immigration and find a way to look for what we have in common as opposed to what is different.

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